But now that we're a family podcast.

All right.

Well, Vance Vopberg, not only are you my first brother to have on the podcast.

I think you're the first unmarried guest we've ever had on the podcast.

So congratulations. Man, this is, I got to represent the single people. first unmarried guest we've ever had on the podcast.

So congratulations.

Man, this is, I got to represent the single people of, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, seeing that we're a family podcast, it's only just made sense that we've had,

you know, married couples on or married people on with children.

Yeah.

But I do think you fit into, you know, being a part of the Now that We're a Family

Podcasts because you are, you know, my brother.

You're my, you're actually a part of the family.

Well, I mean, yeah, if that still applies, I think we're brothers for life.

So yeah, I'm very happy to be your family member as well.

Likewise.

And we're becoming more and more advocates,

you know, of multi-generational family beyond just the nuclear family, right? Like the nuclear

family sure has its strengths, but it can really take away from, I think, what God had in store

and had in mind. I mean, think about, I think about Katie's siblings and all of our siblings

and all the talents and skill sets they bring to this world.

And one day of five children, and I know you guys have the same aspirations as well, I want my children to absorb all of the things that their aunts and uncles bring to this world.

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