351 - Did God Want Adam and Eve to Eat the Fruit?
The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau
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🗓️ 17 July 2024
⏱️ 27 minutes
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A Comment on Alex O’Connor’s Conversation with JBP - Do Adam and Eve Die After They Eat the Fruit?: https://youtu.be/cnsUT97VSeA
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. I thought that I would spend for this patron-only video a little bit more time talking about the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or as my brother loves to put it, the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. |
| 0:13.7 | You know, I made several statements recently. I did a video where I discussed this question about the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. |
| 0:21.0 | And I've made a few times, a few statements about the church fathers, about Tineffin |
| 0:25.4 | from the Syrian, Saint Irnais of Lyon, and how in their writings they talk about how, if |
| 0:32.3 | Adam had waited and had been humble, God would have given him the fruit, even though in the |
| 0:37.4 | text in Genesis, |
| 0:38.7 | it says that they're forbidding from eating the fruit. |
| 0:43.8 | And so, you know, for some people, the church father is saying that might be enough, |
| 0:49.4 | and they might feel like, you know, that's the Christian tradition, |
| 0:51.6 | that's what the fathers believed. |
| 0:54.0 | But I understand why for some more biblically minded Christians, they might, that's the Christian tradition. That's what the fathers believed. But I understand |
| 0:54.9 | why for some more biblically minded Christians, they might think that it's a cop-out. They might think |
| 0:59.7 | that, or even atheists or even secular types, they might think that it's a cop-out to say that, |
| 1:04.7 | and that I'm not actually dealing with the difficulty in the text and in the Bible about this weird situation where God doesn't |
| 1:13.6 | want Adam and Eve to eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and says that they'll die. |
| 1:17.6 | Interestingly enough, if you pay attention soon, another discussion that I had with Alex O'Connor will be out where we discussed this |
| 1:27.8 | specifically but I thought before even it comes out we could look at this question |
| 1:32.2 | and what it will do also it will help you understand the way the Church Fathers live |
| 1:39.0 | in scripture. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. And so this is a difficult thing for us to understand too, is that the fathers lived in scripture |
| 2:12.4 | in a way that is very difficult for people today to understand. |
| 2:16.4 | That it wasn't just that they knew their |
| 2:18.3 | scripture, but they lived in it. It was the entire frame of their being. And therefore, |
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