And if it's true, if realism is true, and that somehow these structures are divine in nature,

they originate from God, whether you're a pantheist or you're a theist or you're a panentheist,

you're a pagan, you're a Christian, you're some form of realist in this way, then what happens

is that basic perception is already a mystical experience.

So you want to mythologize world,

you're already in it the moment you embrace realism.

And now the reason I think that's so important

is because rather than saying, well, there's a mystical side

where we think about the occult and all that sort of stuff,

and then there's a materialist side rationalist side

and you create them separate you treat them separately i think the key is once you really

embrace realism and you understand a realist metaphysics um you realize that it's all mystical the world

is mythologized yes sure it's haunted with spirits, angels, demons,

God, all this sort of stuff. Yeah, that's real. You're a spiritual being, afterlife, all this sort of stuff. Sure. Morality, all the rest.

But even prior to that, just at the basic level of you existing in a structured way and you perceiving those structures,

that basic level of existence is already mystical.

And I think if you can grasp that, now reason can begin to come in and provide some guidance,

some discernment, right, about, you know, what are the structures of morality?

What are the spirits I should be talking to and shouldn't be talking to?

Reason can start to have that say that's been sort of pushed to the side without in any way

nullifying the pursuit of the mystical.

So that's, that would be my pitch.

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