Hi everybody it's Joe Lample the Joe behind Joe Gardner and welcome to the

Joe Gardner show today we're diving into some of the key considerations as we

endeavor to be more proactive ecological gardeners.

And who better to have that conversation with

than Dr. Doug Talamy?

When I think of that person who first comes to mind

for getting us to think more about how we can garden

so that we're doing it for more than just ourselves, but for all life and why that is so important now more than ever.

It's Doug Tallamy. You likely already know Dr. Doug Tallie. He's the professor and chair of the

Department of Entomology and Wildlife Ecology at the University of Delaware,

author of several very important books on this subject, popular keynote speaker, and so much more.

His groundbreaking nature home, which he wrote over 15 years ago now, became the go-to reference for thinking more holistically about the bigger picture regarding

what all is happening with climate change, habitat loss, invasive and keystone native plants,

and so much more.

Well, now a decade and a half later, it's hard to believe it's been that long since he wrote that book.

These same issues are still there and even more urgent than ever,

although Doug says there are some good signs of improvement,

but since that time,

Doug has written another book, in fact a couple,

including a follow-up to bringing nature home, nature's best hope, an equally

compelling read and with new insights gleaned from 13 years of additional time to

assess the current state of the planet. I've had the great pleasure of speaking with Doug on this podcast several times

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