Hi everybody this is Joe Lample the Joe behind Joe Gardner and welcome to the

Joe Gardner show I've heard for many of you lately letting me know how much you

are enjoying the recent theme of the podcast episodes which is focused on ecological gardening and steps we can take to

garden more in harmony with nature.

A topic that often comes up related to that is reducing the size of your lawn and converting that part to adding more native plants.

Doug Talimi talks a lot about that and why it's so important to restoring much of what we've lost

to urban sprawl, habitat loss, biodiversity decline and more.

Well today my conversation is with Graham Laird Gardner, author of Tiny and

Wild, Build a Small-Scale meadow anywhere. I love the title and

especially the subtitle. I think when we envision a meadow many of us still

think of vast open spaces but many meadows, front yards or side yard meadows, are a real thing too.

And as a listener to this podcast, you don't need me to tell you why now it's more important

than ever to think about this, But you don't need to wait

until you think you have enough space to grow your own meadow either. As Graham

writes about it in his book, you can still build a small scale meadow anywhere.

And this is what we're going to talk about today.

There have been a few episodes over the years on the subject here on the podcast, but just

like any important topic, you can't hear enough about it and each conversation

brings its own unique value. Today's episode will be relevant to anyone anywhere

whether you have only a tiny small space or a larger plot. There are lots of great tips

peppered in this book and throughout this conversation. So let me tell you a bit

about Graham Laird Gardner. Graham developed an early affinity for the natural world and a love of

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