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The Symbolic World

374 - The Role of St. John the Baptist

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8824 Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In celebration of the Feast of Theophany I discuss the role of St. John the Baptist, or St. John the Forerunner, as he's known in the Orthodox tradition. Why does Christ need a forerunner? What is he actually doing, symbolically? And how does his appearance, behavior, and death participate in the pattern that's already being set up in the Old Testament?

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==========TIMESTAMPS==========
00:00 - Introduction
00:32 - Intro music
00:57 - The role of St. John
04:05 - Prefigurations of St. John
04:21 - The flood of Noah
05:15 - The Tower of Babel
06:06 - The Exodus
07:55 - Elijah
09:37 - St. John in the wilderness
12:36 - The voice in the desert
13:51 - Wild
15:58 - Stability in Logos
17:55 - Elijah will return
21:49 - Taken up before the end
23:21 - Joseph in Egypt
26:16 - Conclusion

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0:00.0

One of the questions people have sometimes is to wonder what exactly is the role of St. John

0:06.4

the Baptist, St. John the foreigner. Why do we need this kind of wily strange character to appear

0:13.2

before the coming of Christ? And so I thought this could be an interesting thing to talk about,

0:18.7

to look at it structurally. There are, of course, many things we could say.

0:22.4

But I really want to look at it in terms of structure, in terms of, you know,

0:26.8

in terms of the symbolic structure that we talk about and what role it is that St. John plays in that.

1:07.8

Yeah. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. Now St. John appears, of course, before Christ, as this rather wild-looking character who stands out in the wilderness.

1:16.1

He wears camel hair, he eats grasshoppers and he eats honey. And he stands there at the outside of the city, you know, near the Jordan River, which is the edge,

1:22.8

really. You have to understand the Jordan River as kind of the edge of the of Israel,

1:27.9

in terms of symbolism, we'll see why that's the case.

1:31.6

And he tells people to repent.

1:34.5

And he says, the kingdom of God is near.

1:36.7

Repent.

1:38.5

Turn away from your sins.

1:41.2

And he baptizes people.

1:43.0

Now, again, it's very interesting because, of course, baptism in the text,

1:51.1

it appears as something which is obvious, you know, but there aren't baptism in the Old

1:56.8

Testament. There are things that are akin to baptism, and we'll look at those as well,

2:02.2

but there isn't baptism proper in the Old Testament. So the key to understanding St. John,

2:10.4

the foreigner, and his role is something like the role of destruction, the role of the destruction of the old thing that is not

2:22.8

appropriate. And so we have structure. So, you know, we talk about hierarchy on this channel all

2:28.6

the time. Of course, hierarchies are good, but there are definitely bad hierarchies. You know,

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