#379 — Regulating Artificial Intelligence

Making Sense with Sam Harris

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🗓️ 12 August 2024

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris speaks with Yoshua Bengio and Scott Wiener about AI risk and the new bill introduced in California intended to mitigate it. They discuss the controversy over regulating AI and the assumptions that lead people to discount the danger of an AI arms race.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast, this is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this you're not currently on our subscriber feed and will only be hearing the first part of this conversation. In order to access full episodes of the Making Sense Podcast, you'll need to subscribe at Sam Harris.org. There you'll also find our
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0:29.0	don't run ads on the podcast and therefore it's made possible entirely through the support of our subscribers.
0:34.0	So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. Well, I've been on the road. I just did a short retreat with my friends Joseph Goldstein and Dan
0:51.0	Harris, where we did some meditation but also recorded some conversations.
0:56.6	Those will eventually be available over at Waking Up, and I am still traveling, so I'll not
1:01.6	be doing a long housekeeping here. I am resisting the tractor-beam
1:06.2	pull of politics at the moment. No doubt it will soon be all-encompassing. But today I am focused on artificial intelligence and its attendant
1:17.7	risks and the growing effort to regulate it, which remains controversial. Today I'm speaking with Scott Wiener and
1:26.8	Joshua Benjio. Scott is a member of the California State Senate, and he has introduced
1:32.4	a bill SB 1047 which aims to reduce the
1:36.7	risks of the frontier models of AI, models bigger than any which currently exist.
1:44.0	And if it passes, it will be an important piece of legislation.
1:49.0	The bill has already passed the California Senate,
1:52.0	and it's approaching an assembly floor vote later this month, and joining
1:56.2	Scott is Joshua Benjio, who's one of the leading lights of artificial intelligence.
2:02.3	He's known for breakthroughs in deep learning and other relevant technology.
2:07.0	He won the Turing Award in 2018, which has been described as the Nobel Prize for computer science, and he is a full professor at
2:16.7	the University of Montreal. He's also a fellow of the Royal Society of London and Canada, a Knight of the Legion of Honor of France, and has other
2:26.3	distinctions too numerous to name here.
2:29.9	One thing he is not is someone who is uninformed about the current state of the technology as well as the
2:36.2	prospects of making surprising progress toward artificial general intelligence. So we talk about AI risk, the strange
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