Hello, hello there, good listeners. I am your host, Nick Stumbo, and you are listening to the Pure Desire podcast, your biblically based and clinically informed approach to healing from betrayal and breaking free from compulsive sexual behavior.

Today is episode 379, and here joining me today is a guest co-host,

our friend and pure desire clinician, the beard, Mr. Bob Van Damir. Bob, welcome back to the podcast.

Hey, thanks, Nick. It's always good to be here, man. Yeah, and good to see you in person. Good to have

you come into the office. I don't know if everybody knows that you are a Portland native and not too far from our office,

even though you guys do almost all your work from home with our clients.

Yeah, yeah.

We're at home all the time now, which is kind of nice.

My commute is 40 feet from my back door to my office in my backyard.

But it got longer because it used to be shorter, right?

You guys built that office.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It used to be in our basement.

Yeah, yeah, which we could hear everything our kids were doing while we were working.

That's not conducive.

No, no.

So it's always good to be here.

Well, good to have you. And today we had, I think, a great conversation with a friend of the ministry.

Matt Wenger is a part of Boulder recovery.

And we talked about the two-week intensives that Boulder does and just a little bit about why someone might consider an intensive, what role that plays in recovery.

And then we just talked about recovery in general in some really good ways.

So Bob, what did, uh, what did

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