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So if you enjoy what we're doing here, this is Sam Harris. The tractor beam of politics is

continuing to exert its pull on everything. I actually watched less of the Democratic

National Convention than the Republican one, though I saw enough to be encouraged,

I'm happy with Harris's apparent pivot to the center,

whether she can credibly maintain that under questioning by journalists remains to be seen.

I'm hopeful that she can.

But I think the debates will probably matter a lot.

At least they present the possibility of being decisive.

I think a lot can happen there, for good or for ill.

But at one point I would make, this is a point I have made to some of my

friends who will be voting for Trump. You might be surprised that I have friends who will be voting for Trump, but I actually have some close ones.

The moves that are generally used to discount the crazier things he says he will do, can be used even more plausibly to

discount the crazy things that Kamala Harris has said.

Right? I mean, if you can not take Trump literally or even seriously,

when he says that he's going to round up 20 million undocumented workers, that is fruit pickers and restaurant workers

and nannies and millions of people who are doing indispensable work in our economy.

He's going to round them all up in what concentration camps,

using the military, and deport them.

Just linger over the details here for a moment and realize that millions of these people,

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