#384 — Stress Testing Our Democracy

Making Sense with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

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🗓️ 23 September 2024

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Sam Harris speaks with Barton Gellman about election integrity and the safeguarding of American democracy. They discuss the war games he's run to test our response to an authoritarian president, using federal troops against American citizens, the difference between laws and norms, state powers to resist the federal government, voter identification and election integrity, political control over election certifications, the Bush-Gore election, the Electoral Count Reform Act, the prospect of public unrest after the November election, January 6th, George Soros, the "good people on both sides" calumny against Trump, what happens to Trump and Trumpism if Harris wins in November, the presidential debate with Harris, the authoritarian potential of a second Trump term, Project 2025, and other topics.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast, this is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this you're not currently on our subscriber feed and will only be hearing the first part of this conversation. podcast, you'll need to subscribe at Sam Harris.org. There you'll also find our
0:24.9	scholarship program where we offer free accounts to anyone who can't afford one. We
0:29.0	don't run ads on the podcast and therefore it's made possible entirely through the support of our subscribers.
0:34.0	So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. Today I'm speaking with Barton Gellman.
0:48.0	Bart is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and author.
0:52.0	He currently serves as a senior advisor at the Brennan
0:55.8	Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law. Previously he was a staff writer at
1:00.9	the Atlantic and the Washington Post. He's the author of Dark Mirror,
1:06.1	Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State, as well as Angler, the Cheney Vice
1:11.4	Presidency, for which he won the Los Angeles Times Book Award.
1:15.0	Anyway, Bart and I talk mostly about election integrity
1:20.0	and the safeguarding of American democracy.
1:22.0	We discuss the war games of American democracy.
1:23.0	We discuss the war games he's run to test our response to an authoritarian president,
1:28.0	the prospect of such a president using federal and election,
1:44.0	certifications, the Bush-Gore election, the Electoral Count Reform Act,
1:50.0	the prospect of public unrest after the November election, the significance of January 6th, George Soros,
1:58.0	the good people on both sides, calumny against Trump,
2:02.0	what will happen to Trump and Trumpism if Harris wins in November?
2:06.0	The presidential debate between Harris and Trump? The authoritarian potential of a second Trump
2:11.0	term? Project 2025, and other topics.
2:17.0	Just one note, we recorded this conversation before the second
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