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Welcome to the Restis Politics.

Welcome to the Restis Politics leading with me Rory Stewart and me

Alist Campbell and we're going to go now back into a detailed discussion on Brexit

and for listeners just very quickly because it now seems distant history.

UK voted to leave in 2016 and Theresa May then came in as Prime Minister

did these negotiations people will remember vaguely I guess phrases like the checkers agreement

withdrawal agreement the backstop backstop yup through negotiation with Michelle

Valnye at the end of 2018 produced her withdrawal agreement took it to the House of Commons and was defeated three times and eventually she resigned as Prime Minister.

Boris Johnson was then elected and he came in promising that he had a different oven ready deal so he'd

spent the previous three years rubbishing Theresa May's deal and then produced his new

deal whose fundamental change was to create a border in the Irish Sea

between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Now just before we get into our interview, Alice to give us a sense of what you were doing during that period. I think you were a major leading voice which you in the campaign to remain for a second referendum.

I was within the campaign for a second referendum, yes, I I'd been a more of a major voice in the

referendum on the big question to leave because I think like a lot of people I didn't think it was going to happen

but Michel Barni is a very, very interesting guy. I had a bit to do with him during that period because I think we were trying, he records a meeting in his book that's just come out called my secret Brexit diary now out in

English at policy press and the you know he recalls a meeting with Tony Blair

where Tony Blair was saying that you know he thinks there is an opportunity for a

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