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The Rest Is Classified

4. The Rise and Fall of Assad's Spy State

The Rest Is Classified

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🗓️ 10 December 2024

⏱️ 36 minutes

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What will western and Syrian spy services be focusing on following the fall of Bashar al-Assad? Is Russia and Iran’s withdrawal from Syria similar to the US withdrawal from Afghanistan? Were the security services predicting that the Assad regime would collapse so quickly? Join David McCloskey and Gordon Corera as they answer all these questions and more in this emergency episode of The Rest Is Classified. For further reading, check out David and Gordon’s recommended profiles below: Razan Saffour - @RazanSpeaks Aaron Zelin - @azelin Leila Al-Shami - @LeilaShami Charles Lister - @Charles_Lister Synaps Network - @SynapsNetwork Kim Ghattas - @KimGhattas Emma Beals - @ejbeals Steve Heydemann - @SHeydemann Rim Turkmani - @Rim_Turkmani Lina Ghoutouk - @linaagho Sednaya Missing - @sednayamissing Get our exclusive NordVPN deal here ➼ www.nordvpn.com/restisclassified It’s risk-free with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee! Email: [email protected] Twitter: @triclassified Assistant Producer: Becki Hills Producer: Callum Hill Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Exec Producer: Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:32.6

Hello and welcome to The Rest is Classified. I'm Gordon Carrera. And I'm David McCloskey.

0:41.7

And this is a special emergency pod. We're breaking already our regular schedule. We've only

0:47.6

been going two weeks and we're already shaking things up slightly because we thought it was

0:52.1

important to bring you an emergency pod, a special pod,

0:55.8

looking at those really amazing events in Syria in the last few days. We're going to go back

1:01.5

to our regular schedule and you're going to hear the second part of the CIA in Afghanistan

1:05.3

on Wednesday as expected, but we're recording this on the evening of Monday 9th of December because we just felt that

1:13.0

there was some things we had to convey and we wanted to talk about, not in our normal format

1:18.6

of telling a story, but more of a discussion between me and David, because David has, as we'll

1:22.6

hear, some real first-hand experience in Syria. So just to recap where we are, the Assad family had been

1:29.8

in power in Syria for, I guess, more than half a century, ruling that country with what

1:35.4

seemed like an iron grip. Then 2011, the time of that Arab Spring protests broke out against

1:41.1

their hold on power, leading to a civil war, chemical weapons used by the regime

1:46.9

against their own people. The West didn't intervene after that, but Russia did to prop up

1:51.7

the Assad regime. And it looked, David, didn't it, like it was frozen and nothing was changing

1:57.3

until, I mean, this really remarkable set of events, which started on November

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