Hi, everybody. This is Joe Lample, the Joe behind Joe Gardner, and welcome to the Joe Gardner show.

If you're a longtime listener to the podcast, you hear me on occasion call out a first-of-its-kind podcast.

And considering I've done 410 consecutive weeks of podcast, including this one, when I do something completely new, it's worth a mention. Well, today, it's a

double mention for first time ever's on this podcast. The first of the two is that we're talking

about Milwaukee Forest. Perhaps you've heard of this, but I would venture to say, for most of you

listening to this, it's a new term. And I think you will be very glad to learn

more about this fascinating and slightly controversial reforesting technique. The second first

for this podcast series is that my guest today, who did his master's thesis on the Miyawaki Forest

concept, has the same name as mine. And I'm not talking about Joe, but

Lampel. Yes, our guest today is Andrew Lampel, and he will be filling us in on everything to know

about the Milwaukee Forest concept, which in a nutshell is a way to rapidly grow forest in a fraction

of the time using dense planting techniques for fast-growing

saplings and more. And Andrew will fill us in on all the details. And a bit more about Andrew.

While I'm not sure if we are related, when you learn about what he does for a living along with

someone who got his master's degree in sustainability and did his thesis on a forest, how could we not be

related? Andrew is the climate toolkit manager at Phipps Conservatory and Botanical

Gardens in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and in his role, Andrew oversees the Climate Toolkit Initiative,

a collaborative network of over 200 museums, zoos, and gardens worldwide, all committed to

proactively addressing climate change within their operations and communities. I am excited to share

my conversation with Andrew with you today as we learn more about this interesting technique

for rapidly reforesting land from large parcels on corporate campuses to the smallest of urban

settings. So let's get into that conversation with my guest and possibly long-lost cousin I

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