You're listening to the MyWipeKitter.job podcast.

The place where I bring on successful bootstrap business owners

until deeply into the strategies they use to grow their businesses.

Now, today I have my friend, Charlie Hone, on the show.

And Charlie is a bestselling author who has worked directly with Tim Ferris,

Tucker Maxx, Seth Dodon, and Rameet Sethi.

And his book, Play for a Living, was referred to by Tony Robbins

as the cure to your stress.

And personally, he's actually taught me a lot about internet marketing over the years.

And talking to Charlie today is timely because we're going into a recession

and things are about to get really bad.

And in this interview, we talk about navigating a downturn,

had a play for a living, and writing books, and a whole lot more.

But before we begin, I want to thank Postgrip for sponsoring this episode.

Postgrip is my SMS or text messaging provider that I use for e-commerce,

and it's crushing it for me.

I never thought that people would want marketing text messages, but it works.

In fact, my tiny SMS list is performing on-power with my email list,

which is easily 10x bigger.

Anyway, Postgrip specializes in text messages marketing for e-commerce,

and you can segment your audience just like email.

It's an inexpensive solution, converts like crazy,

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