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Hey, lovely listeners and welcome to Real Crime Profile. I'm Laura Richards, Criminal Behavioral Analyst,

former New Scotland Yard, founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service and host of the podcast Crime Analyst. And with me today is...

I'm Jim Clementi, retired FBI Profile of Former New York City Prosecutor and Red Producer of Criminal Minds.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti, and I am a casting director of a real interest in Real Crime and the minds that solve those crimes and the survivors of crime.

This is Stephen Mills, author of Chosen and Memoir of Stolen Boyhood.

And tell us a little bit more about your background. You have a lot of other credits to your name there, don't you?

Well, I've for the last 40 years I've been working as a consultant for public interest advocacy groups in the Environmental Movement,

Human Rights Mostly, and I've written for them, advised them and really focused my professional life on making the world a better place, hopefully, especially when it comes to human rights and the environment.

And importantly being a child advocate.

Well, yeah, that's a recent chapter in this and coming out of the book, I'm spending a lot of time on an ambassador for Child USA.

I'm on the board of Child USA Advocacy, which fights to reform statutes of limitations at the state level across the states.

And yeah, so that's very much where I'm focused right now.

And that's a really important part. I sit here as a boy mum, I have a 19-month-old toddler.

Part of me is just reacting on that level of hearing what you said about what your body and mind was screaming at you when you're lying next to this man who's an adult and everything in your body, your fiber, your cells is trying to protect you.

And I'm thinking as a mum, how do we make sure that when boys have that reaction, you know, and girls, that they have a voice, they have a place to go to where they feel safe enough to explain what's happening.

It's not just about resilience, it's about everything about what you experience was saying this is wrong, but where do you go with that?

Perhaps we'll get into the prevention and protection messages later on, but I'm reacting first of all as a mum listening to you and wanting to make the world a better place too.

I'm an advocate and speak for victims, but children don't often have a voice. And what strikes me about you and Jim, your experiences is that as boys, you just had nowhere to go.

You didn't have the language, you didn't have the words and you felt most likely you would never be believed anyway if you did have that language because of these individuals who were just trusted implicitly because of their positions of power.

Yeah, that's incredibly important. I'm so glad you mentioned that because and I could jump right in there, Laura to day two in that, as I call it a hostage.

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