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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

458. Strictness Absent Tyranny Leads to a Great Education | Katharine Birbalsingh

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.6 • 34.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2024

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with the headmistress of the Michaela Community School, Katharine Birbalsingh. They discuss the importance of K-12 education, why it matters more than the universities in regard to the formation of thinking minds, how children can pursue both excellence and a life of dignity, and why strictness, absent tyranny, is the best form of education. Katharine Birbalsingh is Headmistress and co-founder of Michaela Community School and former Chair of the Social Mobility Commission. She is known as “Britain’s Strictest Headmistress”, following the ITV documentary about Michaela. Michaela’s Progress 8 score placed the school top in the country the last two years. In 2023, OFSTED graded the school as “Outstanding” in every category. Birbalsingh read “Philosophy & Modern Languages” at the University of Oxford and has always taught in inner London. She has made numerous appearances on television, radio, and podcasts and has written for several publications. Birbalsingh has also written two books and edited another two, the last of which is “The Power of Culture,” which is about Michaela. Birbalsingh was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in 2020 and Honorary Fellow of New College, Oxford in 2021. This episode was recorded on June 15th, 2024 - Links - For Katharine Birbalsingh: On X https://x.com/miss_snuffy Documentary on the Michaela school www.strictestheadmistress.com Website for the Michaela Community school in Wembley, London. Here you can sign up for a visit www.michaela.education

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0:00.0

Hello. Hello everybody I had the opportunity today to speak with Catherine Burblesing who has a reputation as being the strictest headmistress in all of Great Britain.

0:24.4

I went to her school, the Michaela school, it's an inner city school in London.

0:29.2

I went there about a year ago and it was really memorable and really quite moving. What she has done with

0:35.0

that school is, well it was it was really something to see those kids were

0:41.9

alert and learning at a rate that I'd never seen in any

0:45.2

educational institution even at the highest levels of graduate seminar let's say.

0:49.6

So that was remarkable to see and the kids were secure and happy there and it's a very

0:56.2

disciplined and structured place and the teachers were as engaged in the educational enterprise

1:02.4

as the children and also the results of her school are

1:07.1

stellar.

1:08.7

She, her students even though they're not selected regularly graduate in the top echelons of the standardized testing

1:19.1

results that are universal across Great Britain and they're much more likely to be admitted to high-level

1:26.7

universities than the graduates of virtually any other school that exists in that country. She's quite the force of nature,

1:35.0

Catherine Burbroughs saying, that's for sure, as well.

1:38.0

So she's a very compelling and interesting person.

1:41.0

And so I think, like seriously more power to her.

1:44.6

Now she invited me to that Michaela school and then took a picture with me and put it on

1:49.9

Twitter and just got more flack for that than you can possibly imagine.

1:54.0

And her response to that was, well, to decide at least in part to speak with me

1:59.2

further on the YouTube channel. So that gives you some insight into just how much force of character she has.

2:06.3

So a remarkable school, truly, you'd be fortunate indeed to have your children attend it and an equally remarkable woman who runs it.

2:16.7

She's like a character in a Harry Potter novel.

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