Hello everybody. Today I have the opportunity to speak with Chris Olson who's

CEO of the Media Trust company, his company is involved, is occupies the forefront of

attempts to make the online world a safer place.

He mostly works with corporations to do that,

mostly to protect their digital assets.

But I was interested in a more broad ranging conversation

discussing the dangers of online criminality in general.

A substantial proportion of online interaction is criminal.

And that's particularly true if you include pornography within that purview

because porn itself constitutes about 20 to 25 percent of internet traffic. But there's all sorts of criminal activity as well.

And so Chris and I talked about, for example, the people who are most vulnerable to criminal

activity, which includes elderly people who are particularly susceptible to romance scams

initiated on dating websites but then undertaken off those sites and also to fishing scams on their devices that indicate,

for example, that something's gone wrong with the device and that they need to be repaired in a manner that also places in the hands of criminals.

The sick and infirm are often targeted with false medical offers.

Seventeen year old men are targeted with offers for illicit drug purchase and juvenile girls 14, 13,

that age who are interested in modeling careers, for example, are frequently targeted by human traffickers.

This is a major problem. The vast majority of elderly people are targeted by criminals on a

regular basis. They're very well identified demographically. They know their

ages, they know where they live, they know a lot about their online usage habits, and they have personal details of the sort that can be gleaned as a consequence of continual interaction with the online world.

And so I talked to Chris about all of that and about what how we might conceptualize this as a society

when we're deciding to bring order to what is really the borderless, the ultimate borderless Wild West community,

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