Hello, and welcome to Focus. The Catholic Gants was podcasted for living, understanding,

and defending your Catholic faith. I'm Psy kill it to your host, and I'll bet you sometime

in the next few months between now and the end of the year, you're going to have a conversation

about transgenderism that's going to happen at Thanksgiving or at Christmas or out on the

street of Halloween. I don't know where it's going to happen, but you're going to have

that conversation. And maybe you'd like to be prepared with how to have that conversation

and have fruitful and profitable way for you and for whoever you're having that conversation

with. And so we've got a great guest for you to talk about that this time. That's Chase

in Effort, one of the great educators on the dignity and the beauty of Chase and self-giving

lives. He's one of those undergraduate and graduate Franciscan University of Stubanville

guys. And with his wife, Kristalina, he is the co-founder of the Chastity Project, the website

Chastity.com. And there's a million other things I could mention. Jason, Everett, thank you

for being with us. It's going to be with you, Psy. All right. So you've got a book coming

out on this. And here's the, here's I think the conversation that a lot of people my age

dread. And that is with our 20 something kids or their friends, or maybe our teen something

kids or their friends about this topic. And you talk with young folks all the time. Give

us some sense of the do's and don'ts of that conversation when it comes up.

Well, I think the biggest do is to listen. I think as Catholics, we really get locked

in on transgenderism as an ideology that needs to be defeated. Like, okay, it's a heresy.

We've got to get our good arguments and we're going to shoot this thing down to win the

culture war. And you know, that's obviously in pot. That's obviously important because

this is a huge cultural issue. But it's this is not just an ideology. These are individuals.

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