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Well, this is another election-related podcast. This might be my last swing at this ball.

As many of you know, I've come out strongly against Donald Trump, and the only way to really do

this is to support Hillary Clinton. But what I want to do in this podcast is attempt to reach

those of you who view any criticism of Trump as partisan. So I'm going to spend a long time

here speaking very critically about the lesser evil Hillary Clinton, about both Clinton's,

in fact, because they come as a pair. And I've enlisted Andrew Sullivan to help me in this cause,

because he certainly knows what's wrong with both Clinton's. Most of you know him, of course,

Andrew has been a very prominent journalist and editor. He ran the New Republic for many years,

and he's written for more or less everybody. He's a frequent political commentator,

and the fact that gay marriage is now legal in this country is largely the result of his work.

He was also one of the first prominent bloggers, which he did for 15 years at the Daily Dish.

He is now a contributing editor at New York Magazine, and writes great long-form pieces there.

He's published several books, including the Conservative Soul, which I have linked to on my website.

And what we attempt to do in this podcast is sympathize with those of you who hate the

Clintons, and don't want to see them return to the White House. And we do this for a good long

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