Hey friend welcome to Java with Julie I'm Julie Slattery and let me remind you that

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authentic intimacy well you know a very common argument among Christians

is some contention around the idea of whether you are

egalitarian or complimentarian.

Let me explain that just a little bit.

Egalitarians come from the point of view that men and women are called to have the same type of

roles and neither is the leader over the other, whether that's in marriage or in the church

context.

Now, complimentarians come from the point of view

that the role of women is more of a compliment to men,

a support to men, and therefore not to be leader

over men or alongside men, particularly again in the family and church context.

Now friends this is a decades long discussion and very often people are asked to pick aside.

My guest today is Dr. Michelle Lee Barnwell and she is the author of a book called

Neither Complementarian nor Egalitarian. And she talks about what we might be missing when we look at

gender roles and the relationship between the genders in both marriage and in the

church as a

Michelle holds a PhD from the University of Notre Dame.

She is an esteemed theologian and author and serves as an affiliate professor of New Testament at Biola University.

As you're going to hear, she is both highly intellectual and gospel centered in her approach and understanding of this topic.

Well, friend, this is a great episode for you to listen to as you consider for yourself gender roles in the church, gender roles in your marriage,

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