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🗓️ 13 November 2023
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Are men and women called to have the same kind of roles? Are women supposed to support men but not lead them, or lead alongside them? This is a sensitive ongoing discussion in the American Church. In this episode, author and esteemed theologian Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall joins Juli to discuss why this debate misses God’s heart for how men and women should relate to each other in the family of God.
Guest: Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall
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0:00.0 | Hey friend welcome to Java with Julie I'm Julie Slattery and let me remind you that |
0:05.5 | Java with Julie is a listener-supported podcast it's an outreach of the ministry |
0:09.8 | authentic intimacy well you know a very common argument among Christians |
0:15.2 | is some contention around the idea of whether you are |
0:18.6 | egalitarian or complimentarian. |
0:21.4 | Let me explain that just a little bit. |
0:23.0 | Egalitarians come from the point of view that men and women are called to have the same type of |
0:27.6 | roles and neither is the leader over the other, whether that's in marriage or in the church |
0:32.4 | context. |
0:33.6 | Now, complimentarians come from the point of view |
0:36.2 | that the role of women is more of a compliment to men, |
0:39.1 | a support to men, and therefore not to be leader |
0:42.0 | over men or alongside men, particularly again in the family and church context. |
0:47.0 | Now friends this is a decades long discussion and very often people are asked to pick aside. |
0:55.0 | My guest today is Dr. Michelle Lee Barnwell and she is the author of a book called |
0:59.2 | Neither Complementarian nor Egalitarian. And she talks about what we might be missing when we look at |
1:05.2 | gender roles and the relationship between the genders in both marriage and in the |
1:09.8 | church as a |
1:15.0 | Michelle holds a PhD from the University of Notre Dame. |
1:14.0 | She is an esteemed theologian and author and serves as an affiliate professor of New Testament at Biola University. |
1:21.0 | As you're going to hear, she is both highly intellectual and gospel centered in her approach and understanding of this topic. |
1:28.0 | Well, friend, this is a great episode for you to listen to as you consider for yourself gender roles in the church, gender roles in your marriage, |
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