from Relay FM, This is Connected, episode 498.

Today's show is brought to you by our excellent sponsors, Jam, Squarespace, NetSuit,

and Zoc Doc. I'm Federico Wittici, and it's my pleasure to be joined by Mr. Stephen

Hackett. Hello, Stephen. Hello, Federico. How, and it's my pleasure to be joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.

Hello, Stephen.

Hello, Federico.

How are you?

I am doing great.

I just got some excellent shopping recommendations in the pre-show from you and Mike.

So go listen to those.

Yes, we're also joined by another person that is not you, Stephen.

It's not me, but it's Mike Hurley.

Hi, Mike.

Hello, my name is get connectivepro.co.

Yes.

If you would like to hear us talk about backpacks for like 10 minutes. And how to spend my money because my backpack broke and I need a new one to travel and stuff.

And Federico's bag is a jump scare, so you've got that for you as well.

It's not what you would expect.

Mike couldn't believe that I used that thing for five years.

I just couldn't believe it was able to last.

That's the thing that's surprising to me.

Did that bag smell real bad when you opened it?

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