#499: He Mattered: The Case of Josiah Hilderbrand
Real Crime Profile
Real Crime Profile / Wondery
4.2 • 10.5K Ratings
🗓️ 3 April 2024
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
We conclude our interview with Liz Hilderbrand. She explains trying to come to terms not only with her son Josiah’s murder but with the actions of the justice system to erase her son’s existence from a multiple homicide. Liz recalls going to the sentencing of James and Donovan Cloud, seeing the faces of the men who took Josiah’s life, and the cavalier almost jocular attitude of the courtroom. As Laura says, Josiah’s case was used as a bargaining chip for prosecutors to secure a plea deal for one of the offenders. Liz also describes her shocking treatment post sentencing by the district attorney’s office and their public complaint department representative who told her “she was not a victim”. Liz was denied the right to read her victim impact statement to the judge, but we are giving her the chance to read it today. Liz continues to fight to bring Josiah’s case to trial. We can help her open this door, please read her blog and make your voice known to the people who need to hear it.
#HisNameWasJosiahHilderbrand #JusticeforJosiah
What people can do to help:
Follow Liz’s blog lizhilderbrand.com
Follow Liz on socials: @rememberthebirds
Contact Liz through email: [email protected]
Send an email to Yakima County District Attorney Joe Brusic encouraging him to pursue charges in Josiah’s case: [email protected]
Contact WA State Attorney General Bob Ferguson’s office and let them know that you are aware of Josiah’s case and are waiting for charges to be brought. You can contact the Criminal Division through their submission system at: atg.wa.gov/criminal-justice
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey lovely listeners and welcome to Real Crime Profile |
| 0:08.3 | profile. I'm Laura Richards, criminal behavioral analyst, |
| 0:11.2 | former New Scotland Yard, |
| 0:12.6 | founder of Palladon National Stalking Advocacy Service |
| 0:15.4 | and host of the podcast Crime analyst. |
| 0:18.5 | And with me today is... |
| 0:20.1 | I am Lisa Zambete, casting director for Seppus Criminal Minds and board member for hire survivors |
| 0:25.3 | Hollywood and joining us again is I'm Liz Hildebrand mother of Josiah Hildebrand writer and advocate |
| 0:32.9 | and we're going to jump right back in where we left off. |
| 0:35.6 | There's so many important parts to this story, Liz. |
| 0:39.2 | It really is a roller coaster and trying to piece it together is complicated and complex so we're so pleased to have |
| 0:46.4 | you rejoin us to explain what went on. |
| 0:49.7 | You know and that is the thing and I've said this, you know, more recently, it's like for me to process what the clouds did to my child. |
| 0:59.0 | I know this might be hard for people to really understand. But they're bad guys. Bad guys do bad things. So as horrific |
| 1:07.3 | is what they did was, it makes sense to me. They go, oh yeah, well they're violent and they're killers and that's what they do. |
| 1:15.7 | But when good guys do bad things, it is so hard for me to come to terms with that. You know, it's hard for me to balance that out and for me to like |
| 1:27.8 | accept like I have accepted that my son's gone, but to accept the fact that the people who are then |
| 1:36.0 | supposed to make this right, like I've said too, like we use the term like justice and I'm like, |
| 1:41.2 | what is just, it's so it's such a confusing term once you've |
| 1:45.0 | experienced like you know violent crime and I think about the scales you know the lady with the |
| 1:50.5 | scales I feel like that it's supposed to the lack of humanity is supposed to be brought back |
| 1:58.0 | into balance with humanity, acts of humanity, like your son doesn't matter, we're going to kill him and leave him on the side of the road, your son does matter, and we're going to treat you like a human being, and we're going to fight for him, and we have evidence that we can charge these people, and we're going to fight for him and we have evidence that we can charge these people and we're going to do it because it's right. |
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