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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

504. Fired for Honesty and Competence: One Genuine Teacher's Story | Warren Smith

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2024

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with teacher, filmmaker, and YouTuber, Warren Smith. They discuss his unexpected virality after Elon Musk retweeted a video of him teaching critical thinking. They also walk through the aftermath, Warren’s run-ins and eventual firing by administrative bureaucrats, why asking permission to take on the unknown is not needed, and how the choice to live a safe life or accept an extraordinary adventure is ultimately yours to make. This episode was filmed on November 21st, 2024 | Links | For Warren Smith: On X https://x.com/WTSmith17 On YouTube www.youtube.com/@SecretScholars On Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/Secret_Scholars

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0:00.0

Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity to sit down in person today with Warren Smith.

0:06.0

Warren was a teacher, and he recorded himself having a discussion with a student about a rather

0:12.5

contentious topic. It turned out to be J.K. Ruling's reactions to the trans-propaganda insanity

0:19.6

that plagues our culture in 15 different ways.

0:23.6

Do you still like her work despite her bigoted opinions?

0:28.3

So let's get specific, though.

0:30.5

Let's define bigoted opinions.

0:32.4

What opinions are bigoted?

0:33.5

She has had a history of being extremely transphobic, I've heard.

0:38.1

And you've heard, so can you give me an example?

0:40.4

In 2019, she said,

0:42.9

live your best life in peace and security,

0:46.1

but force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real.

0:50.7

So you find that bigoted?

0:52.5

What do you find about?

0:53.7

It was... The video, which was remarkable, I would say, for the good sense that Warren brought to it,

1:02.5

the calm demeanor, the intelligent questioning of the student, really the professional

1:07.7

way that he handled the discussion, which is now so rare among those

1:12.6

who purport to be teachers that the mere fact of its professionalism was remarkable in and of itself,

1:19.0

enough so that it went viral. Do you find that transphobic yourself?

1:23.5

I don't really have an opinion on it, but I'm just going with what a lot of other people have said.

1:29.3

So let's pause it. Let's not go with what other people are saying. Let's try and learn how to critically think. So let's analyze the tweet ourselves. So that statement, do you see anything problematic?

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