Well, hey friend, welcome to Java with Julie hosted by me Julie Slattery.

I'll remind you that this is a listener-supported podcast,

innocent outreach of authentic and receipt, which is a ministry dedicated to reclaiming God's

design for sexuality.

Well, pain and grief are unwelcome parts of the human experience, and they come in a lot of

different forms.

Your pain might be coming from suffering through sickness,

might be navigating unwanted or unmet longings,

or experiencing any number of marital or relational issues.

No matter who you are, nothing really seems to fully prepare you for specific challenges and pain

that you just smack right up against, and the

same is true of my guest today and Lisa Young.

They are the founding pastors of Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas,

and the authors of a new book called The Path Through Pain.

Ed and Lisa have experienced a type of pain that many parents hope and

pray that they never have to walk through the loss of a child.

Just over two years ago, Ed and Lisa's oldest child, their daughter, Lee Beth,

passed away after a battle of mental health issues and addiction that for many years had stolen her peace and her joy and been a huge concern for those around her.

And in Lisa, in the midst of that, knew to turn to God for comfort and lean into his hope and made some pretty surprising discoveries about pain and grief along the way.

And I don't know what you might be walking through today, maybe what Ed and Lisa experienced

is actually your greatest fear.

And maybe what you need to hear is that no matter what we walk through,

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