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We kind of demonize the leaders.

We think about mad men, you know, ruining the world.

And that in part is true.

You know, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler,

were no doubt crazy individuals.

But we also have to think carefully about

social systems and the social context.

And you will have really strong forms of power

that are good for broad collectives

if you have ways, forms of accountability.

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