Hello and

Hello and welcome the Real Crime Profile,

this is Jim Clemente, retired FBI Profiler,

former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of Criminal Minds,

Bluebeard, and co-host with Kathy Canning

of FBI Profiler's criminal archives.

With me today is...

Kathy Canning Mello, retired FBI agent and former B-A-U Profiler,

Jim and I worked together in the unit for 10 years and I'm really

looking forward to today's discussion extended discussion of Kevin Spacey and unmasked.

All right great well Kathy it's great to have you back again and we are going to get into a really spicy interview

by peers Morgan of Kevin Spacey.

And this happened a couple of months ago, but I don't know how much Kevin Spacey realized how much he gave away in this interview.

I mean, it seemed to be there was leakage all over the place and leakage is what we define the

be a you as somebody inadvertently revealing details about their personality and psychology and behavior through

their actions and behavior, but they don't realize exactly what they're

saying or doing. Right. And I felt like Pierce Morgan did a pretty decent job with the interview, but he wasn't picking up on the nuances that we were picking up on.

Right. And I do give Pierce Morgan a lot of credit because he did actually follow up with a lot of questions

when Kevin made some statements and you know I liked Pierce. I was actually there at the finals of the

apprentice when Piers Morgan won that that that season and you know

congratulated him I thought it was great that he won because I thought he was the most

intelligent the sharpest the fastest the quick-witted person and I thought he should win I didn't know who

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