Hello and welcome to Focus the Catholic Answers Podcast for living, understanding and defending your Catholic faith. It's hard to defend your Catholic faith. standing and absorbed in our devices, and I'm not saying that in a mean way, because you might be absorbed in your device at this very moment where you're listening.

But there's something to be said for the humanizing effect of not being absorbed in your devices and so with us

today is the president of Wyoming Catholic College Kyle Washet thank you very much

for being here with us. Thanks for having me, sir.

And one of the reasons we want to talk about this with you

is that you have a shocking and horrifying policy, terrifying to me around the students and cell phones.

Right, since the very beginning of the college in 2007, all of the students who come to Wyoming Catholic College, turn in their cell phones

when they enroll as students, and they get them back when they leave at the end of the

semester.

And have there been any deaths related to this?

Withdrawal or anything? They're okay?

No one has died that we know of.

There's initially there is going to be a little bit of a transition but we send all the

students out for three weeks into the wilderness on a backpacking trip

when they first get there so there's an initial cold turkey break with the cell phone right away.

And while there are some initial complaints, the feedback we get within a few months from the students

is, oh my goodness, the kind of community we have, the kind of ability to be present to each other

and pay attention to each other is so incredible, I want to change this policy.

Oh, and isn't that wonderful?

But even that thing that you just described, I mean, first of all, you're in Wyoming. So you have

accessible to you some of the most magnificent natural features in the whole world.

And then you're sending them out into the

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