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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

531. Irreversible Damage at Fourteen | Detransitioner Clementine Breen

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2025

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Clementine Breen, a child who was moved through the transgender pipeline and has since de-transitioned. Together they walk through her story (from early sexual abuse to the daunting decision to undergo affirming surgery), the confusion and fallout thereafter, reorientation, and her lawsuit against the doctor who led her astray. Clementine Breen is a de-transitioner who experienced early sexual abuse before having her gender dysphoria misdiagnosed as being transgender. Top surgery was sold to her at age 13, all the while her parents were told the atrocious “dead daughter or living son” lie. She is currently embroiled in a landmark lawsuit against her former doctor, Dr. Olson Kennedy. This episode was filmed on January 1st, 2025. | Links | For Clementine Breen: On X https://x.com/clementine_fb

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0:00.0

Did you tell them about the abuse? I did not. Well, how much investigation into your history took place?

0:06.5

Very little because the second we got into my history, it just came crumbling down. In my referral,

0:11.5

it says that I had held a male identity since childhood, besides just physical discomfort with my body

0:17.3

and just feeling disconnected from girls. It was really no sign of prior gender dysphoria.

0:21.8

Discomfort with your body and feeling disconnected with girls. That's called puberty. Right. I was already

0:26.5

cleared for surgery, so I traveled to San Francisco recommendation of Olson, the specific doctor.

0:31.9

By the time I was there... Why the specific doctor? Because he doesn't have age limits. No age limits.

0:37.3

Yeah. What's interesting about my case, too,

0:39.7

is even in my referral notes, which the surgeon saw, there's conflicting information. So immediately,

0:45.8

you can tell it's sort of rubber-stamped and they didn't really look through it. So now you wake up

0:51.5

after surgery. Yeah. What's that like?

1:09.6

Hello, everybody.

1:17.2

My guest today is a young woman who has quite a terrible story to tell,

1:24.7

but before you can understand why I have her as a guest and why she's doing what she's doing, there's some individuals that I need to familiarize you with

1:28.6

in some detail to set the context properly. And I'm going to read that. First and foremost among

1:35.8

those is Dr. Joanna Olson Kennedy. Dr. Olson Kennedy serves as the medical director of the Center for Trans Youth Health and Development at Children's Hospital, Los Angeles.

1:51.0

That's currently the largest transgender youth clinic in the U.S.

1:55.7

Dr. Olson Kennedy has authored or co-authored numerous studies on transgender youth concerning such

2:03.1

topics as chest reconstruction and its effects, the development of so-called gender identity,

2:11.0

the physiology of response to gender affirming hormones, and the consequence of pharmacologically induced puberty blockade.

2:20.3

In 2015, she led a $10 million N.I.H. funded research project to study the effects of so-called

2:29.3

gender-affirming medical practice aimed at youth. This study was a major enterprise and very financially

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