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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

534. How Some Muslim Countries Navigate Extremism | Mark Siljander

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with ex-Congressman, ambassador, and author Mark Siljander. They discuss the numerous times he brokered peace in Middle Eastern and African conflicts, the Neo-con worldview, Donald Trump, his role in the Abraham Accords, pushing back against Islamism, and how to build a bridge between true Islam and the west. Mark Siljander is an ex-Congressman, ambassador, and author of “A Dangerous Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide. This episode was filmed on March 5th 2025 | Links | For Mark Siljander: Read “A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide” https://a.co/d/6skKSkA

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0:00.0

Obviously, during the 60s, there was a huge rebellion in the United States against the use of the military in fighting the communists in Vietnam.

0:10.0

As I matured and learned more about the absolute horrors of communism,

0:14.5

and how many people in Cambodia died when the communist took over?

0:17.6

Four million in the killing fields?

0:19.4

At least.

0:19.8

Something like that.

0:20.7

This is extraordinary naivete to think one could go to Iraq or even Syria, for that matter,

0:27.6

and force an American-U.S-style democracy on a people group that is broken into different faith groups, Muslim, Shiite, Sunni.

0:40.7

It was completely absurd.

0:42.5

47 of 50 Muslim majority countries are not democracies.

0:48.3

And there is a fourth or fifth century copy of what they call the Peshita text.

0:56.3

And Peshitta means simple and straightforward.

1:02.7

And it has the Aramaic language of Jesus. So I began reading that and then reading the Quran. And while I had many nice things to say about Jesus, it also said things, for example,

1:09.4

he's not the son of God.

1:11.4

He wasn't crucified.

1:13.4

I felt, how does one say this?

1:16.5

We were assured by his opposition that he was a warmonger

1:21.1

and that you could imagine him voted in high school

1:23.6

as most likely to start World War III.

1:25.9

But, you know, one of the things we might always

1:27.5

remind ourselves is that we might not be able to recognize a true peacemaker when one comes along.

1:33.2

But he shouldn't be trifled with. That's the other side of Trump.

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