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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

538. South Africa: What the West Needs to Learn | Dr. Ernst Roets

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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🗓️ 14 April 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with South African filmmaker, author, and activist Dr. Ernst Roets. They discuss the genetic and cultural hyper-diversity of Africa, the early settlement patterns of South Africa, the origin story of the Boers, how forgotten history breeds rhyming conflicts in the present, and the complex needle that must be threaded for shared prosperity. Dr. Ernst Roets is an Afrikaner activist, author and filmmaker from South Africa. He serves as Executive Director of the newly established Pioneer Initiative, which seeks to promote a more sustainable political dispensation for South Africa, based on the principles of decentralization and self-governance. Dr Roets is the leading expert on the topic of farm murders in South Africa. His book, Kill the Boer: Government Complicity in South Africa's Brutal Farm Murders is an international bestseller on Amazon. He is also the producer of several documentary films. He regularly appears in the media - both in South Africa and the international media - about issues relating to South Africa and he regularly speaks at international conferences, including CPAC and NatCon. He is a leading advocate for the protection of free speech and property rights in South Africa, and for farm murders to be regarded as a priority crime. This episode was filmed on March, 14th, 2025. | Links | For Dr. Ernst Roets: On X https://x.com/ernstroets?lang=en On YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@ErnstRoets Read “Kill the Boer: Government Complicity in South Africa's Brutal Farm Murders” https://a.co/d/cMWyuMH

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0:00.0

I mentioned this story about the vow that was made in 1838, and he went to negotiate with the Zulu King, King King, King King, King, King, King,

0:06.0

King, King, King, King, King, King, killed the Wizards, and they slaughtered them. We need to retaliate, we need to attack back.

0:19.0

And so they had a commander of about three to

0:20.9

400 people. They were completely surrounded by about 12,000. A man named Sardel Salia, he was the

0:26.8

religious leader, and he said, we need to make a vow to God. Some people say that's the origin

0:30.9

story of our people. Let's flip to the modern time. What was the relationship between the

0:36.4

apartheid state per se and this notion of

0:38.9

separate homelands? The argument was that South Africa should be thought of as Europe. The single

0:43.8

biggest problem in South Africa, it's a triangle of unemployment, poverty and inequality. Ironically,

0:50.1

they've gotten to a point where they can only think about inequality. It looks to me like the cost of innovation is inequality.

0:56.7

Okay, now your book is entitled, Kill the Boar.

1:00.0

There's a reason for that.

1:17.2

Thank you. Hello, everybody.

1:21.9

I've watched over a very long period of time,

1:25.5

the political and economic situation in South Africa,

1:27.8

both heat up and destabilize, And that's taken somewhat of an accelerating turn

1:33.1

in the last few years.

1:35.1

And because of that, I've become increasingly interested

1:38.6

in delving more deeply into the history of South Africa

1:43.0

to understand the context and then also the

1:47.5

political situation on the ground in that country now. And I came across the work of Dr. Ernst

1:54.4

Roots, who wrote this book called Kill the Boar, this book, which was published in 2018. Now,

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