here, welcome back to the realignment. Hey, everyone, welcome up to the show. I'm joined on today's

episode by my sometimes realignment partner, the Nis-Cannan Center and John Hopkins

universities, Steve Talley's, were interviewing Stanford's Dudi Quo about her new book, The Great

Retreat, How Political Parties Should Behave, and Why They Don't, when it comes to how

unpopular they are. Political parties as institutions are at the bottom of the stack ranking of everything

in our society, whether it's Congress, the military, police, government itself, etc. Imagine almost

anything you interact with in your daily life

and people will find that thing to be more popular and trusted than political parties. So given this

fact, though, the fact that our two parties have remained stable and that a lot of the efforts

to both launch third parties but also expand democracy in ways that would hypothetically

create more opportunities for new parties. Everything from ranked choice voting to putting

aside traditional first-past-the-vote procedure hasn't been particularly successful, nor

has it captured the popular imagination. So the big question, as we move into 2025 2025 is what does all of this mean for the

two parties themselves and how can we reflect upon this broader story of how political parties

have operated across the industrialized West over the past two centuries. How can this all inform

how we think about the future? Hope you all enjoy the conversation. D.D. Quo, welcome to the realignment.

Thank you so much, Marshall. It's great to be here. And hi, Steve. Hi, Dee. So Steve is here as well.

This is the first time we've done a joint interview, Steve. Though I will note, there's been a bunch of

our professor academic network who've asked to come on the Steve and Marshall show.

So, Dee Dee, you're joining us for a pilot edition of this format where the broader Steve

cinematic universe joins this format.

So we're excited to have you.

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