Well, hey friend, welcome to Job with Julie, hosted by me, Julie Slattery.

This podcast is listener-supported, and it's an outreach of authentic intimacy,

which is a ministry that helps people navigate God and sexuality.

Well, today we're going to talk about shame.

So when you think about shame, what comes to your mind?

If you're like me, you might think about a few moments in your life when you did something

or experienced something and you felt shame in the aftermath.

The reality is shame is everywhere.

Every single one of us experiences it.

As you're going to learn from,

my guest today, it's something that we all began to experience at a really young age, actually

before we were two years old. My conversation today is with Dr. Kurt Thompson. Kurt is a psychiatrist

and a well-known author of the book, The Soul of Shame, his faith allows him to bring a really

unique perspective of God and humanity to those to whom he ministers.

Now, we're going to talk today about why acknowledging shame is so important and how vulnerability

can be such a useful weapon and helping us move past it.

So settle back and enjoy this conversation with Dr.

Kurt Thompson. Well, Dr. Kurt Thompson, thank you so much for being back with me. And as we were

getting ready for this conversation, you just made a statement. You said, I love shame. So tell me what you mean by that.

Well, Julie, first of all, I was going to say, I'm really happy to be here. And now I'm going to

think about that for a second. Oh, no, I think, I think what I mean by that is that shame is so

ubiquitous. It's so much a part of everything that is

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