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Welcome to the Art of Charm. I'm your host Jordan Harbinger.

Today we're talking with journalist and author Julian Guthrie on her new book How to Build a Spaceship.

You should listen to this episode if you want to learn about the types of habits and backgrounds

highly successful folks have in the fields of space, engineering, aviation, and many others

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previous episodes of the show. All right, let's talk to Julian Guthrie.

So my first question for you actually, Julian, is how do you get access to these people?

Because your first book was with Larry Ellison from Oracle, and now you've got the Peter D.

I'm honest, I want to know what you're going to work on next, of course. But how are you able

to get in touch with these folks? Because I'll tell you, there's a lot of people on the internet

that are trying to ask questions to these people and getting kind of stonewalled. What makes you so special?

Well, I think it's all about persistence. I really do. And then, you know, coming at a person

in kind of circling the wagons, and if you get no response, or even a no, from, say, Larry Ellison,

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