You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency,

Bitcoin wins.

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Carl Dong, welcome back to the show.

Glad to be here, Marty.

It's fantastic to be back.

Yeah, last time was back in New York in Williamsburg, right?

That was a long time ago.

I remember you brought some brews in and we had a little beer.

It was great.

Talking about reproducible builds on Bitcoin and Geeks, a project that you worked on for quite some time.

Thank you for that.

Of course. Of course.

I mean, it was a pleasure.

I mean, everything, I'm very lucky that everything I work on is like an obsession

of mine, you know? So it really doesn't feel like hard work at all. It just feels like I am

chasing this rabbit hole that I would have otherwise been chasing it anyway. So, yeah.

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