Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast.

I'm your host, Catholic Answers Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn.

And today we're going to talk about the Petrine Office.

We're going to talk about the papacy, but an important link in the argument for the

papacy because I think there's a lot of Protestants and the reason I want to talk about this,

I've seen people like Gavin Orland was recently on Cameron Bertuzzi's channel talking about

the case against the papacy and then Joe Heschmeyer went on to do the case for the papacy.

You definitely should check that out.

So there's a lot of back and forth.

Gavin and others and you have Jerry Walls and James White, another Protestant Apologist

who will argue that even if you do grant that Peter had a special role in the church

and by the way everyone, it's very easy to find Protestant historians that will recognize

this J&D Kelly, the Anglican scholar writes in his book, Early Christian Doctrine, Peter

was the undisputed leader of the early church.

And I cite other Protestants who believe this as well in my book, The Case for Catholicism,

where they will have trouble.

And I think this is where Gavin and others have come forward.

They'll say, well, where does the Bible teach?

Where is the evidence that Peter had an office of leadership that would endure perpetually?

That's one thing Peter is the rock on which the church is built.

It is another, however, to say that whatever authority was given to Peter in the early church,

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