Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

All right, so we will now begin with Trent giving his opening statement.

All right, well, I want to definitely thank Emory students for life for putting on this event.

I know there's a lot of hard work on there end to put this together, so I'm very grateful.

They went through all that work, and I'm grateful to Dr. Novus for agreeing to participate.

In my experience as a pro-life advocate, it's very difficult to get a public discussion like this going.

And frankly, many people who identify as pro-choice or as pro-choice advocates do not want to take part in public discussions like this.

And when they do, their arguments tend to be more emotional rhetoric than philosophical cases.

My interlocutor tonight, Nathan, is a delightful exception to that.

He's an intelligent, thoughtful person on this issue.

Now I oppose the view he defends with every fiber of my being.

I believe this is a very serious issue, but I do consider him a very thoughtful person.

So I'm looking forward to our discussion to having this issue.

So that said, I want to give some reasons for why you should believe that abortion is so gravely immoral that it ought to be illegal.

So I think I have here five arguments that I wanted to share.

The first argument is a simple one. I call it the humanity argument.

It's wrong to intentionally kill innocent biological human beings.

A fetus is an innocent biological human being.

Abortion intentionally kills a fetus.

Therefore, abortion is wrong.

And now the scientific evidence is clear on this at the unborn or biological human beings.

Nathan is admitted this in one of his books.

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