Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner, and I would like to invite you to come see Freakonomics Radio live in San Francisco on January 3rd and in Los Angeles on February 13th.

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I'll be there, and I hope you will too.

On January 6th of 2025, Vice President Kamala Harris will certify this year's election results

and officially named Donald Trump as the nation's 47th president.

She will do this in her role as outgoing Senate president, but also, of course, as the presidential

candidate that Trump just beat. He is only the second president in U.S. history to lose the White

House, but win it back later. The other was Grover Cleveland in the 19th century.

This is one of many ways in which the 2024 election was a historic one and a dramatic one,

the kind that generates a lot of gloviating from a lot of people. So you may have had your fill

of that. I was thinking you might want to hear a different kind of

conversation about the election with someone who isn't a bloviator, someone very smart and

thoughtful with a wide perspective, someone who maybe has a PhD in political science and is maybe

an immigrant. All of that describes our guest today, Farid Zakaria.

We had him on the show earlier this year to talk about his book, The Age of Revolutions,

Progress and Backlash from 1600 to the present. Zikaria is host of a weekly CNN show called

GPS or Global Public Square, and he writes a column for the Washington Post.

In the conversation you are about to hear, we will talk about the election results.

Trump is not a spasm. It's not a one-shot thing. This is a deep enduring change.

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