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619. How to Poison the A.I. Machine

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🗓️ 24 January 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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When the computer scientist Ben Zhao learned that artists were having their work stolen by A.I. models, he invented a tool to thwart the machines. He also knows how to foil an eavesdropping Alexa and how to guard your online footprint. The big news, he says, is that the A.I. bubble is bursting.

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0:00.0

There's an old saying that I'm sure you've heard, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

0:11.1

But imitation can easily tip into forgery. In the art world, there have been many talented foragers

0:18.2

over the years. The Dutch painter Han von Mageren, a master forgeron of the 20th century, was so good that his paintings were certified and sold, often to Nazis, as works by Johann Vermeer, a 17th century Dutch master. Now there is a new kind of art forgery happening, and the perpetrators are machines.

0:42.8

I recently got back from San Francisco, the epicenter of the artificial intelligence boom. I was out

0:49.7

there to do a live show, which you may have heard in our feed, and also to attend the annual

0:55.5

American Economic Association conference. Everywhere you go in San Francisco, there are

1:00.9

billboards for AI companies. The conference itself was similarly blanketed. There were sessions

1:07.0

called economic implications of AI, artificial intelligence and finance, and large

1:14.1

language models and generative AI. The economist Eric Brinjolfson is one of the leading

1:20.1

scholars in this realm, and we borrowed him for our live show to hear his views on AI.

1:26.7

The idea is that, you know, AI is doing these amazing things, but we want to do it in

1:30.5

service of humans and make sure that we keep humans at the center of all of that.

1:35.2

The day after Brynjolfson came on our show, I attended one of his talks at the conference.

1:40.6

It was called Will AI Save Us or Destroy Us?

1:47.2

He cited a book by the Oxford computer scientist Michael Woldridge called A Brief History of Artificial Intelligence. Brinjolfson read from

1:52.8

a list of problems that Woldridge said AI was nowhere near solving. Here are a few of them.

1:59.3

Understanding a story and answering questions about it, human-level

2:03.6

automated translation, interpreting what is going on in a photograph. As Bern-Yolfson is reading

2:10.3

this list from the lectern, you're thinking, wait a minute, AI has solved all those problems,

2:16.3

hasn't it? And that's when Brinjolfson gets to his

2:18.9

punchline. The Wildridge book was published way back in 2021. The pace of AI's advance has been

2:28.1

astonishing, and some people expect it to supercharge our economy. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated economic growth over the current decade of around 1.5% a year.

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