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622. Why Does Everyone Hate Rats?

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🗓️ 14 February 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

New York City’s mayor calls them “public enemy number one.” History books say they caused the Black Death — although recent scientific evidence disputes that claim. So is the rat a scapegoat? And what does our rat hatred say about us? (Part one of a three-part series.)

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0:00.0

Hey there, Stephen Dubner. This year will mark a pair of anniversaries for us. And even though I

0:10.4

ignore most anniversaries, these two have got their hooks in me. It has been 20 years since

0:16.3

Steve Levitt and I published Freakonomics, and it's been 15 years since I started Freakonomics Radio.

0:22.0

So we are thinking about making some kind of anniversary episode, and I want to know if you

0:27.4

have anything to share. Maybe it's a story about how you were influenced or inspired by

0:33.3

something from Freakonomics. Maybe it's some kind of memory or coincidence that you'd like to tell us

0:38.5

about. Whatever it is, send us an email or a voice memo, whichever you prefer. Our address is

0:44.6

radio at freakonomics.com. Thanks in advance for that. And as always, thanks for listening.

1:03.0

In the fall of 2022, a new job listing was posted on a New York City government website.

1:09.4

The ideal candidate, the listing read, is highly motivated and somewhat bloodthirsty,

1:12.1

determined to look at all solutions from various angles,

1:17.1

including data collection, technology innovation, and wholesale slaughter.

1:21.3

And what kind of government job requires wholesale slaughter?

1:24.7

Here is the man responsible for this listing. Rats do something to traumatize you and I hate rats. That is Eric Adams,

1:33.9

the mayor of New York City. If you walk down the block and a rat runs across your foot,

1:40.5

you never forget it. Every time you walk down that block, you relived that.

1:46.0

As you may have heard, Adams was indicted last year on five federal criminal charges, including bribery and wire fraud.

1:53.4

Although, in a remarkable departure from legal precedent, the Trump administration justice department just ordered those charges dismissed.

2:01.6

Through it all, the mayor's anti-rat fervor has been undiminished.

2:06.9

Fighting crime, fighting inequality, fighting rats,

2:11.0

public enemy number one, many of you don't know, are rats.

2:14.3

If you're not scared of rats, you are really my hero.

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