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623. Can New York City Win Its War on Rats?

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🗓️ 21 February 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Even with a new rat czar, an arsenal of poisons, and a fleet of new garbage trucks, it won’t be easy — because, at root, the enemy is us. (Part two of a three-part series, “Sympathy for the Rat.”)

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0:00.0

Sometimes we go to war with our neighbors, and sometimes those neighbors are rats.

0:08.4

Okay, so we're outside in New York City looking at what we call active rodent signs, or A-R-S.

0:17.2

That is Bobby Corrigan. He is an urban rodentologist, a former rodent researcher who now works for the city of New York.

0:26.2

Everyone thinks there's a rat world below our feet. And to some degree, that's true. But rats have a very specific subterranean environment they need.

0:36.6

It is a cold and windy afternoon in Lower Manhattan, one of the oldest parts of the city.

0:41.9

Most of the humans have scurried back to their offices from lunch.

0:46.0

At the intersection of Murray and Church Streets, Corrigan points to a sidewalk curb that has collapsed in on itself.

0:53.0

And that's because the rats nearby got below the sidewalk, tunneled into this area,

0:59.6

dug out the soil so they could have a burrow in this area.

1:03.0

And now there's nothing supporting these heavy concrete pieces.

1:06.2

It's expensive to put in a new curb.

1:08.5

And where did these burrowing rats come from? Just five feet away,

1:13.4

we have the proverbial catch basing that the stormwater drains down, and sometimes you'll see

1:21.0

rats come right out of these sewers. Their home is in the sewer in the middle of the street.

1:26.4

So you've got rats in the sewers, rats burrowing under the sidewalks.

1:31.3

What else can we see?

1:32.3

I want to show you something much more interesting.

1:34.3

You'll notice along this building perimeter, if you let your eyes just continue along,

1:40.3

you will see the gray concrete that's light.

1:43.3

But next to the building, you'll see this dark charcoal stain that's linear, right?

1:49.3

The stain goes around, hugs the building, that is from rats.

1:54.7

That's what's called the sebum stain.

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