Radio Mano, Papa Chango I identified with my shame and my judgment most of my life.

But when I had the opportunity to trust somebody else or a circle of men, I had to ask myself, like,

where do I put my faith? Do I put my faith in the protection mechanism that I've known and in

the hiding and in the fear and in the shame? Or do I put my faith in something else, in the

possibility that the truth will set us free.

That is the question, is it not? That's today's guest. His name is Aaron Rivera. I met him at the

Boudiccan retreat this summer. And, you know, I think it's been a while since we have this conversation, so I don't remember all the details.

But I believe that in the conversation, we talked about how impressed I was listening to him speaking in different group settings.

And I asked him at some point what he did for living,

and he told me that he led men's groups in, I think in Guatemala, he said, around somewhere in Lake Atitlan,

an amazing place.

And it was interesting because I felt like, oh, this, I like this guy, but this is the kind

of guy I don't like.

You know, at the same time, it was like, you know, the sort of, I've got a lot of

discomfort around New Age exploitation, as you know, if you've listened to this podcast before.

And it's difficult because my own personal values align very much with some of the stuff that

New Age exploiters are promoting. And I'm not saying Aaron is an exploiter, quite the contrary.

And that's why I find him interesting. But I find that setting, that realm, that energetic area of, you know, the self-proclaimed shaman and the, um, the, the sort of vulture-like energy

that swoops in on desperate, lost people and says, I'll show you the way. I know. I,

I, I watched the first episode of this HBO special about Kundalini Yoga last night.

It was quite good so far. And it focused on this woman Guru Jagat, I think her name was.

Or she called herself. Who the fuck knows what her name was?

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