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631. Will "3 Summers of Lincoln" Make It to Broadway?

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🗓️ 25 April 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

It’s been in development for five years and has at least a year to go. On the eve of its out-of-town debut, the actor playing Lincoln quit. And the producers still need to raise another $15 million to bring the show to New York. There really is no business like show business. (Part three of a three-part series.)

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0:00.0

In the first episode of this series, we heard about the creation of a new musical called Three Summers of Lincoln, as in Abraham Lincoln.

0:12.7

The show is set during the Civil War and it centers around Lincoln's relationship with the abolitionist Frederick Douglass.

0:19.4

The producers, Alan Shore and Richard Winkler commissioned

0:22.4

the playwright Joe DiPietro to write the script. He brought along Daniel Watts as his co-liacist

0:28.6

and then the composer, Crystal Monet Hall. After three years of development, the Lincoln team

0:35.4

held some workshop performances in New York that persuaded them

0:38.8

they were ready to give the show its world premiere at the La Jolla Playhouse in San Diego,

0:44.3

or at least almost ready. I just felt the narrative at the beginning wasn't as sharp as the rest

0:50.8

of the show. That's DiPietro. The challenge in a musical like this is you're telling an epic story.

0:57.4

I mean, how many different versions of the Civil War could you write?

1:00.9

There needs to be a spine to it.

1:02.8

How can we have the spine as clear as quickly as possible?

1:06.9

We felt, for instance, that the character of Mary Lincoln,

1:10.8

she wasn't in the score as much, especially given the actress who is going to play that role.

1:15.9

That actress is Carmen Cusack, who has twice been nominated for Tony Award on Broadway.

1:21.2

And so DiPietro had Daniel Watson, Crystal Monet Hall come to his apartment on the Upper West Side to work on a new song for

1:29.2

Mary Lincoln, a duet with Abraham. Hall played a demo she'd made on her own, a song called

1:35.2

Twelve Rooms in Springfield.

1:38.2

Alive in Twelve Rooms. Alive in Twelve Roos Alive in 12 rooms.

1:45.8

The song has the Lincoln's thinking about going back home to Illinois if Abraham

1:50.4

loses re-election for the presidency, which, considering how badly the war is going, seems

1:56.1

likely.

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