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Today, I will be speaking with David from. David is a senior editor at the Atlantic magazine.

He was a speech writer for George Bush and has been well known in Republican political circles

for many years. He's written many books, and he's one of Trump's most notable Republican critics.

I wanted to get David on the podcast because he's obviously much more knowledgeable about government,

in general, and the Republican party in particular than I am. And I wanted him to walk us through

this moment in history and just talk about what we might expect to happen in the near term here.

And how maybe something good might come of all this. We don't say much that will be viewed as

charitable toward Trump, but if you listen to the podcast, you'll hear that we really do our best

to be even handed. That doesn't paint a rosy picture, you'll see, but David's conservative

bona fides are beyond dispute. And that makes his opinions about Trump and the people around him

and the Republicans support for him all the more incisive. So without further preamble, I bring you

David from. I am here with David from David. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

I'm going to push you to be here. So listen, we've never met. It's great to talk to you. I've

been a fan of your work for quite some time, but my appreciation for you has just gone up by a

factor of 10 in recent months, seeing your opposition to Trump and just imagining actually what

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