Welcome to episode 741 with my guest.

Jennifer Westcott, welcome.

If you're new, the website for this podcast is metalpod.com.

In MetalPod, also the social media handle, you can follow us at.

If you've never filled a survey out, would love it if you went and did that all kinds of topics you can fill surveys out for we also

have a patreon page and every other week we are you get bonus surveys on that one at the

five dollar and above level at the twenty dollar and above level and there are levels in that one at the $5 and above level, at the $20 and above level,

and there are levels in between that.

At the $20 a month level, you have access to our Zoom hangouts, our weekly Zoom hangouts.

There's one on Sunday afternoons for U.S. time zones, 4 p.m. Pacific, 4 p.m. to 5.30.

And Saturday morning, European time zones. We have one. I guess in the U.K.

It would be around 8 or 9 a.m. something like that.

I don't know.

It's midnight Pacific time.

That I know.

It is the 14-year anniversary of this podcast.

Actually, yesterday was 14 years since we, we launched it. And I'm so

grateful for the guests, the people that fill out the surveys. I've learned so, so much

in those years. I've seen how complicated people are, especially people who are abusive.

You know, in reading the surveys, one of the questions that people answer is the question.

Is the question, have you experienced any positive moments with the people or persons

that abused you?

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