Well, hello, boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the

Tim Ferriss Show. Thanks so much for tuning in. This time around, we have my good friend Derek

Sivers back on the show. He is one of my favorite humans. I call him often for advice. He is hilarious,

and he will do his own introduction because I am incredibly lazy or I was feeling

playful and lazy in this conversation. He is a philosopher, programmer, musician, king of

sorts. That's how I would describe him. It is a very fun conversation. I really enjoyed it.

And you can find Derek's books, including his latest Useful Not True, which we

discuss at his website, svers.com or sivee.r.s, which is probably just about as confusing to people

as tim.blog. If you enjoy this episode, you should go back and listen to the 2015

conversation I did with Derek, the very first one. You can find that at Timedup Blog

slash Derek Sivers. And many long-time listeners out of the nearly 800 episodes I've done

consider this their favorite or certainly one of their favorites. It is a barn burner of an

episode. And now we're going to get to it.

First, just a quick word about the sponsors who make this podcast possible.

I have been fascinated by the microbiome and probiotics as well as prebiotics for decades,

but products never quite live up to the hype.

I've tried so many dozens dozens and there are a host of

problems. Now things are starting to change and that includes this episode's sponsor Seeds

DSO1 Daily Symbiotic. Now it turns out that this product, Seeds DSO1, was recommended to me many months ago by a PhD

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sponsorship, which is kind of ideal because I used it unbitten, so to speak, came in fresh.

Since then, it has become a daily staple in one of the few supplements I travel with.

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