97. How to fight fake news and strengthen democracy (Audrey Tang)

Leading

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Politics, Government, News

4.6 • 2.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Is technology destroying democracy, or can it be used to strengthen it? How did Taiwan improve public trust in politicians by 60%? Could the NHS be transformed by digital consultaions for the better? The world's first digital minister, Audrey Tang, joins Rory and Alastair to discuss all this and more. TRIP Plus: Become a member of The Rest Is Politics Plus to support the podcast, receive our exclusive newsletter, enjoy ad-free listening to both TRIP and Leading, benefit from discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, join our Discord chatroom, and receive early access to live show tickets and Question Time episodes. Just head to therestispolitics.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestispolitics. TRIP TOUR: To buy tickets for our October Tour, just head to www.therestispolitics.com Instagram: @restispolitics Twitter: @RestIsPolitics Email: [email protected] Audio Editor: Aaliyah Akude Assistant Producer: India Dunkley Video Editor: Teo Ayodeji-Ansell Social Producer: Jess Kidson Producer: Nicole Maslen Senior Producer: Dom Johnson Head of Content: Tom Whiter Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:20.0	Welcome to the rest is politics.
0:21.0	Welcome to the rest is polities with me, Alist Campbell.
0:22.6	And with me Rory Stewart.
0:24.3	And today we are interviewing a member of the Taiwanese cabinet,
0:28.7	Audrey Tang, who is the first global minister for digital and who has done the most astonishing things.
0:37.0	In particular, did a very unique COVID response in Taiwan, which had a completely different approach and achieved spectacular results,
0:47.0	transformed the way the Taiwanese government engaged with citizens, really by changing democracy through technology, creating forms of virtual citizens assemblies and much more.
0:57.0	But Audrey is also a fascinating figure in her own right and her journey into government I think is also something worth exploring so on that over to you,
1:05.6	Alistair. Now Audrey a couple of things looking at your childhood that strike me as being really, really interesting.
1:12.8	First is that you have to really fight against pretty serious illness
1:17.8	as a child.
1:19.0	So I'd like to ask you about that.
1:21.2	But also, you do seem to be extraordinarily ridiculously clever. You were reading
1:28.0	classics at five you were studying advanced maths at six you you were programming at eight,
1:33.2	then you dropped out of school at 14
1:35.0	and started your own full-time programming business,
1:37.6	age 15.
1:38.3	So just take us through your childhood
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