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The Counsel of Trent

#997 - Pope Francis vs. Trump/Vance on Migrants (My Response)

The Counsel of Trent

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Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

In this episode Trent breaks down the Church's teaching on immigration in light of the Pope's recent letter to the U.S. bishops.

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0:00.0

Last week, Pope Francis wrote a letter to the U.S. bishops in response to President Trump's

0:04.5

orders of mass deportation and Vice President J.D. Vance's comments about the ordering of Christian love.

0:10.2

It sparked a lot of debate online, and so in today's episode, I want to generate more light and less

0:15.8

heat in order to present a better witness on this controversial issue. But before we focus on what Pope Francis said,

0:22.4

let's zoom out a little and look at the Catholic Church's teaching on immigration. Basically,

0:27.1

the church says there is a natural right to migrate, but governments have a right to defend their

0:32.2

borders. So these two rights have to be balanced against each other. What governments cannot do is adopt one of

0:38.7

two extreme positions. The first extreme would be open borders, or prohibiting all deportation.

0:45.8

In a previous episode of the Council of Trent, and in my book Confusion in the Kingdom,

0:49.7

I engage liberal Catholics who claim deportation is intrinsically evil, where deportation can never be done.

0:57.5

So I won't repeat my arguments against that false view here.

1:00.9

The Vatican itself will deport you if you illegally enter and remain in its territory.

1:06.6

Cardinal Fernandez, the head of the DDF, released a decree back in January requiring fines

1:11.6

up to 25,000 euros and prison time up to four years for illegal entry. And anyone convicted

1:17.9

of this is forbidden from entering the Vatican for 15 years. None of this would make sense if

1:23.9

the church taught that people who choose to live in a country illegally must be allowed

1:28.4

to remain there. The church doesn't teach that. Pope Francis himself even said that some people

1:33.6

who seek asylum in countries need to be sent back to their home country.

1:37.5

The migrant has to be received. Thereafter you see how you're going to deal with them.

1:42.7

Maybe you have to send them back.

1:44.6

I don't know.

1:45.3

But each case ought to be considered humanely, right?

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