Hello there. This is Mark Bowerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in Inside Higher Ed.com that began, Wyoming Catholic

College has a lot of unusual things about it, each enough to merit a story in itself.

Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic college that educates students in the great

books and Catholic tradition.

It also teaches horsemanship and banned cell phones on campus.

I love that.

And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way. This college is engaged in deep ways with

the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual center. We're adventurous and poetic and deeply

Catholic. He likes to cite Dostoevsky in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for

the soul. The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic, which is located in the foothills of the Wind River

Mountains, the curriculum centers in the Western tradition. Its Catholic identity builds upon

Thomas Aquinas and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and engaging with God in the

wilderness. Find out more at Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us today Bruce Abramson. He is a

strategy consultant and economic consultant. He's written widely on technology law, the Middle

East, and political philosophy. His latest book is The New Civil War, Exposing Elites, Fighting Utopian

Leftism, and Restoring America. Welcome, Dr. Abramson.

Thank you very much, Mark. Pleasure to be with you.

Well, you know, I have a question about the title. The word there in the title, you say,

elites need to be, quote, exposed. In what way are elites

hidden or disguised? You know, it's a funny thing about the title and that my working title had been

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