You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts.

Hello, we're back, and with a typically eclectic lot of reading suggestions,

if one doesn't grab you, another surely will.

With me to champion books they love are first the historian and author Catherine

Hughes, whose works include biographies of Mrs Beaton and George Elliott. Her most recent book,

Catland, feline enchantment and the making of the modern world concerns the love affair

between the Lake Victorians and cats. With Catherine is the author, podcaster and presenter, Dan Schreiber, co-host of the QI podcast,

No Such Thing as a Fish, and host of the We Can Be Weirdos podcast.

Dan's book, The Theory of Everything Else, came out in paperback last year.

Dan, why don't you start us off? What have you chosen?

The book I've chosen today is a book that absolutely rocked my universe. It's called the

KLF, Chaos Magic, and the band who burned a million pounds. It's by a guy called John Higgs,

who is a fantastic writer. He's written multiple books. And he's someone who, no matter where he goes, and covers untold stories and manages to

unite them in ways and weave a narrative using disparate stories all the way through history and make them come together in one

amazing story. So I'm a big fan of his, but this really for me is the book that not only is my favorite book of his,

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