On a winter's night in 1974, a crime took place that would obsess the nation.

It was an extraordinary news story.

The story of an aristocrat, Lord Lucan, who's said to have killed the family Nanny,

mistaking her for his wife, then somehow just disappeared.

One of the great mysteries in English criminal history. We're still looking for

Lucan. It's honestly one of the most powerful stories of my lifetime. I'm Alex Fontunzelman. This is

The Lucan Obsession. Listen on BBC Sounds. Hello, I'm Harriet Gilbert. Thank you for downloading a

good read, the podcasts, where two guests and I recommend books we love and describe why we love them.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I hope you'll find some great reading suggestions here.

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

Hello, with me today, Springwatch presenter Jillian Burke,

who's worked as presenter, director or producer on many other natural history programs,

including most recently the BBC's Blue Planet UK.

Gillian is vice president of the Wildlife Trusts.

With her is the sailor de Kaffari, the first woman ever to sail around the world single-handed,

non-stop, and on one occasion the wrong way round, in other words, against the prevailing winds and currents.

Dee's memoir is appropriately titled Against the Flow.

Gillian Burke, would you start us off with your choice of a good read? What is it?

So I picked a book that I'd finished just towards the end of last year called Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer.

It truly is a book that I think has shifted my perspective in the way that I think about nature, the way I think about biology, the way I think

about the natural world. I'm someone who has spent pretty much all my life, you know, thinking

about nature or being part of it and somehow what we all are, obviously. But this book really

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